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Comment from Debbie Bell
Time February 20, 2013 at 11:34 am

It’s OK if a pit bull (acting on centuries of instinct) kills a child who follows his balloon into the dog’s yard, but it’s not OK if a teenager kills a pit bull who comes into his yard?

It is the pit BULLY people who are responsible for the continuation of pits living outside, acquired not as companions but as weapons or anti-burglary devices. If pit BULLY people actually cared about the pit bull, they would support severe limitations on pit breeding, via enactment of strict spay/neuter laws.

Tragically, pit BULLY people actually don’t care about dog welfare. Seems like it’s a condition of being a pit BULLY person, just like the original pit bull fanciers (fighters) they DO about themselves and their ability to acquire/breed and own the dog of their choice. The disproportionate suffering and death that surrounds the pit bull crisis is acceptable to the pit bully people. Proof? Their refusal to offer or accept breed specific solutions to a breed specific crisis.

Comment from cliff
Time February 20, 2013 at 1:52 pm

I disagree with Debbie Bell’s comment – peer-reviewed journal papers show no difference in bite rates between different breeds. Say “No” to Breed Specific Legislation.

Comment from Anne’n'Spencer
Time February 20, 2013 at 2:35 pm

Buzzwords and inflammatory speech don’t help the situation, either. (Pit BULLY. How cute. How catchy. How very, very original. I’ll bet you stayed up for hours dreaming that one up.)

Nobody is requiring that anybody like pit bulls. Nobody is requiring that you welcome one into your home or associate with people who fancy them. And this case has absolutely nothing–nothing at all–to do with breed-specific legislation. Nothing. Perhaps if you’d been less enamored of your slogan and more in tune to logical thoughts, that awareness might have dawned in some remote corner of your mind.

What has outraged people in this case is the sheer cruelty of the way the animal was butchered. It was ineptly shot with a bow and arrow and probably left to suffer before finally dying. And if that wasn’t enough, the person who did the killing chose to brag about it on Facebook, publishing his graphic and bloody pictures for the world to see.

There are all sorts of alternatives for ridding your property of unwanted dogs. They include calling the police and/or Animal Control. It’s interesting to consider the man who hijacked the Alabama school bus, killed the driver (after demanding that he turn over two kids), took a five year old boy as hostage, and imprisoned the child in an underground bunker for a week. That man didn’t like dogs on his property. Shortly before perpetrating his hideous acts on human beings, he beat one dog to death with a shovel and injured another so badly that it had to be put to sleep. What kind of dogs? I don’t know, and it doesn’t really matter.

While citizens shouldn’t be taking the law into their own hands with death threats, there is one very pertinent question. What if the animal wasn’t a pit bull? Suppose it was a fluffy kitten? A hound or retriever? A lisping toddler? What then?

Comment from Julie Jo
Time February 20, 2013 at 2:46 pm

Wrong!! “Bully people actually don’t care about dog welfare” is a blanket statement that is so untrue. There are more PEOPLE out there with bully breeds that do care than are ones that don’t. I can bet that Debbie has never owned a bully breed or even spent time with one having read her statement. All the people that I know that have a bully breed dog have very loving dogs that are non aggressive family members. I own two myself that are big kissy lap dogs. One of them is prescribed to me by my doctor as my COMPANION ANIMAL as well. I agree that all should be spayed and or neutered. There are too many cats and dogs being put to death in this country every year. 800,000 pit bulls alone last year. That’s just wrong. I am totally anti BSL because it’s just not fair. Every week they are adding another breed onto the list. Pretty soon all dogs will be banned, and I won’t stand for it. I won’t have ANYONE come into my home like they did in Sikeston Mo. and take my dogs away. Those were all family pets too. So wrong. What that teenager did was just horrible and he deserves to get chased out of town. No one in their right mind weather they like an animal or not, could sit there and watch an animal die like that. I hope they press charges and throw the book at the brat. The whole thing make me sick!

Comment from cathy
Time February 20, 2013 at 3:12 pm

It is too bad that the 2 year old child’s parents didn’t stop the child from running onto somebody else’s property,and into a tethered dog.The kid scared the dog in the dog’s place and it defended itself.Many non-pit bulls on chains would do the same.It is a good idea to mind 2 year olds very closely.I have an american pit bull terrier,he’s neutered,UTD on shots and sleeps in my bed.He is well trained and well-socialized and has a wonderful temperment,I also have my daughter’s pit mix,who was with my daughter when she was murdered by her landlord,and Sally didn’t try to even bite him.Debbie Bell,you are a hateful and predjudiced woman and I feel sorry for you.Why don’t you find a better hobby then running your mouth,insulting people and making up statistics.

Comment from JackoCleamons
Time February 20, 2013 at 4:40 pm

‘Debbie Bell’ is a fanatic and a nut case. She spams the same crap all over the web on any story relating to ‘pit bulls’ whether it fits the specific story or not. In fact the post above, though almost totally irrelevant to the Caisen Green incident, is less nutty than some of her others. In some she pretends to run a ‘multi breed dog rescue’ and tells made up stories of the gentle pits which sadly and suddenly turned into killers so were brought to her, but she’s not a ‘pit monger’. Other times she’ll go on about how ‘wealthy pitmen’ control the mainstream animal organizations (like the ASPCA etc) which all oppose BSL, etc: obsessed nutcase.

Comment from smoketoomuch
Time February 20, 2013 at 4:54 pm

My guess is that like Ms Bell (above) young Mr Green has absolutely NO experience with properly socialized so-called PIT BULLS. If either of them did, they would both know that this breed (maybe more than most) wants nothing more than to love and be loved, to please their owners. They are NOT “acting on centuries of instinct” any more than any other dog does, and there are plenty of Pit Bull owners who care for and about their beloved animals, enough,in fact, to have them neutered, to not breed and raise them with criminal intentions. Such sweeping generalizations help no one Ms Bell. It’s ignorant people such as yourself and young Mr Green who contribute to the injustice meted out to this particular type of dog. Please either educate yourself: (www.dontbullymybreed.com) or shut the hell up.
You bile is mis-aimed here.

Comment from Debbie Bell
Time February 20, 2013 at 11:45 pm

Cliff mentioned that bite stats don’t vary from breed. All dogs can bite but few dismember and kill as “well” as pits. Damage does matter. To date, no pair of chihuahuas have ever killed their elderly owner (Elsie Grace) no single chained out chihuahua ever killed a balloon chasing child. I’m not writing about “bites”.

Bully people caring? Tell me how. Oh, they may fight over the plight of an occasional pit, but only because most bully people like a fight. But bully people cause the overpopulation of pits/bullies to continue, because they resist breed specific solutions to this breed specific crisis. .When they advise “pits make wonderful pets if raised perfectly”, gullible people BUY pit puppies. The result: more pit breeding and more pit overpopulation and therefore, more pit death. If they would actively support mandatory spay/neuter of pits we could begin to make a dent in the million pit deaths at pounds every year, but because of pit mongers, that will not occur. Dead pits is acceptable to them, as pit mongers only truly care about themselves and their ability to breed/acquire own the dog of their choice.

My husband and I volunteer with a multi-breed rescue. We used to accept, foster, and place pit bulls. We almost permanently adopted one delightful girl. We used to think that breed didn’t matter when it comes to BULLY breeds, but we learned the hard way, when sweet, kissy faced pit puppies we adopted out, grew up to suddenly kill their larger, BFF housemate dogs. They were not abused, they simply matured to act like good pits were created to act. Then when several of our foster home dogs were almost killed by their visiting foster dogs, dogs who moments before attacking were “playing well with others”, we began to rethink the “pits are normal/breed doesn’t matter” propaganda. When pit owners call trying to get rid of their pits, pits who suddenly want to kill every other dog on the block, after playing happily with them in the past, we learn from that. And when 2 same house pits suddenly began to become dead game and won’t stop fighting, we learn from that. When I asked this pit owner about his two pits, he explained that he previously owned one pit, but it chewed up his wife so they put that pot to sleep. Now he wants rid of his pair of pits. Why did he kill one pit and then acquire 2 more pits? I asked him. His answer “everyone says what nice dogs pits are, but now I’m done with pits.” Before pits infested our community, we never had a leashed dog killed in public. We never had a home invasion dog murder by a dog who broke/chewed into a house to kill the victim dog. Now, thanks to the pit invasion, these things have occurred in our town and have happened in many communities. Breed does matter. We speak of beagle traits, border collie traits, there ARE bully dog traits. When non-bully dogs we had placed were shredded by the neighbor’s pit bulls while in a public, we learned from that, too. When we receive calls about soon-to-be homeless pits, we cannot offer them any hope. Non-bully dogs we can help through foster home care or referral to other groups: Schnauzer rescue, dachshund rescue, poodle rescue, these groups have space because fewer of these types of dogs are being born because most non-bully dogs are spayed. Not so with bully breeds. Most bullies in our area are not spayed, even tho several groups offer s/n for free to bullies. We cannot make them spay their dogs. Sadly, the bully owners do not care. All the bully rescues are therefore, always FULL, so rarely accept new dogs. They don’t even return the “we gotta get rid of our pits” phone calls or email. We decided we can do enough good placing non-BULLY dogs and do so without risking the limbs and lives of our volunteers and their dogs and their neighbors, too. All dogs can bite but few non-bully breed dismember and kill as “well” as pits and other bully dogs. True, most pits won’t get to kill another dog, but why continue breeding THE dog designed to kill other dogs? Why would anyone who truly cares about dog welfare insist on continuing the dog-aggressive dogs? Pits cannot help themselves. When they are good pits, when they act of centuries of breeding to attack, and don’t stop, dogs suffer, including the pits themselves. Ban pit breeding and sale. The only way to acquire a pit should be the adoption of a spayed/neutered pit from a licensed rescue. This would bring dog fighting to a screeching halt , as they need to breed more pits to continue dog fighting! It would take them decades to create “dead game” dogs from non-bully breeds. Let pits mercifully become extinct. No pit bully person should object, since they insist that all dogs are the same and breed doesn’t matter. PA doesn’t have any BSL, so pits do breed and die like flies and fill our pounds, where they must die by the ton, if only to provide run space for the next swarm of homeless pits. This is obviously acceptable to pit BULLY people, as they refuse to offer or accept any breed specific solutions to this breed specific crisis. It is never the dog’s fault; it is the fault of pit breeders/buyers and pit mongers that pits both disproportionately cause suffering and death AND disproportionately suffer and die, too.

Comment from Debbie bell
Time February 21, 2013 at 1:39 am

Debbie, you are an idiot. A big one at that.

Comment from Grizzily
Time February 21, 2013 at 4:08 pm

Hey, so we got the long version of Debbie’s Delusions after all!

Comment from SWEET
Time February 24, 2013 at 2:24 am

DEBBIE, Very Well put and right on target. Your experiences are the same as mine as a foster and rescue. We tried to foster/rescue 4 pits. Everyone, a disaster that cost us hundreds in vet bills and the death of a sweet sweet tiny female beagle, another 10 month old collie pup,torn to shreds, adopter attacked, one turned on me, bit my face and hand, another gave me the pit stare down, then went for my leg and hand, another trapped my tiny cousin in a dog kennel and she was afraid to get out. Stop fooling yourselves people, these dogs are destructive, fatal pets in most situations. They are not easy to train, are stupid and have high energy and strength. a recipe for disaster. They are not dogs, they are a romanticized bad-boy dog that wanna-be dog experts pretend they have a special talent for handling the dogs. Sheesh

Comment from SWEET
Time February 24, 2013 at 2:31 am

Pits are nothing more than an Industrial Sized Terrier. Vicious, tenacious and bred for aggression, size and bite size to kill and maim. If you are lucky enough to own a pit that’s disposition does not change as it matures, then that is an anomaly. Race horses were bred to run and pits were bred to kill, efficiently and effectively. That does not man someone has a right to savage one, as this teenager did because every dog must be taken as an individual and that life respected.

Comment from desert1220
Time February 25, 2013 at 9:33 pm

All I can say is that are ignorant, stupid people out there that think a pit-bull has an natural instinct to kill anything that moves, every living breathing thing has to eat, so I guess humans fall in the same category as the bit-bull, they kill also, and then when a human kills every one jumps on the band wagon that the person had mental problems, or their parents didn’t raise them right. Now stop and look at what has been said “didn’t raise them right” you will blame a humans family for the way they were raise but when the dog attacks and kills you stupid idiots will blame the dog, pull your head out of your ass or have a window put so you see life around you. If the dog is raised (any dog) to be a killer / attack anything that moves or comes close to it will…………………BLAME THE PERSON WHO TRAINED IT, NOT THE ANIMAL, the animal can be rehabilitated the person who trained it I don’t think so, I myself would not give that person the time of day or the air to survive if it was up to me. I have several friends that have bit bulls and have left my children and grandchildren alone to play with them; they are what you raise them to be, myself I have a pit mix, the smartest dog I have ever owned, I have owned several different breeds being raised on a farm, I would not trade my buddy for any dog in this or any outer world, he is the most loving, fun, silly, and loyal dog I have ever owned, I will go to my grave to protect him and I know he would do the same for me or any member of my family. REMEMBER; PUNISH THE TRAINER NOT THE BREED.

Comment from shadowcat
Time March 10, 2013 at 9:33 pm

I’ve had bad expieriences with pitbulls…two of them came in my yard one time and tore up one of my beloved cats awhile back right after killing another cat up the street before we had the pound come to get them. Prior to that, i’ve heard many stories of pit bulls mauling children and other adults unprovoked…many of them where raised in loving homes. Show me proof that other breed of dogs are at equality in these asects with pit bulls, perhaps things i have not seen, and maybe i will think differently. but untill then..you can bet that i’d do the same damn thing that kid did (only as a last resort, and if it attacked me or a loved one or pet with out provocation)

Comment from mikeyintheoc
Time March 20, 2013 at 10:41 pm

I owned two Pit bulls myself. And I can say that they were adorable. However anything, and I mean anything can set a Pit bull off. A small child’s awkwardness, a small dog barking it up, and just the glare or twinkling of shiny jewelry in their eyes can get them fired up. I agree it’s in them to fight but you have to keep an eye on them 100%. Here’s one I’ll share. My neighbor across the street from my house had his 2 year old son run out his front door towards his father. Well this was to much commotion for one of my Pits to handle, so he started bolting across the street towards the child. All I could do was yell at my neighbor was to ” Pick him up!, Pick him up!”. And just as my “Oggie” got to that defenseless child, the dad had him up off the ground and safely in his hands. Oh did I thank God and that neighbor that day.

Comment from Krystal W.
Time March 31, 2013 at 5:05 am

Anything can set them off?? Funny, but in the two decades that I have owned pit bulls my shiny, flashy jewelry has failed to ever capture their attention. As far as small children & other animals go, do you realize how many canine breeds are prey driven? This is hardly unique to pit bull type dogs. And it doesn’t take much for a small child to excite or stimulate a dog. Especially if the dog is lacking in socialization or experience with kids. Therefore, instead of saying “anything can set them off”, how about stating that many of them exhibit normal terrier-like behavior & should be handled responsibly. I believe that to be much more accurate.

Comment from Jessie
Time April 10, 2013 at 2:40 am

He’s a liar and I hope someone finds him and cuts his throat. POS